In the case of Stars, I had a big boost from Lowell North - he had innovated on the Starboat lines, went to a major regatta, and won nearly every race, but he got thrown out for a rules infraction before the start. He didn't want to build boats. He wanted to be either a snowski maker or a sailmaker. I figured I could probably build him one, so he gave me his lines, and I modified them over the years to make even more competitive Stars. It was about '63 or '64 that I hit the jackpot with people winning all the time in my boats. Lightnings - that was a strange one. I built one for my dad and took it to the Internationals in New Orleans I built it right from the plans, didn't change anything within the tolerances. We were clearly faster than everyone, but I'm not sure why. Thought I could do better in terms of design, but each year got worse. One time I went to the Internationals, and the guy who was doing as badly as I was, did better. I asked him why, and he told me, which was about what we were doing with Starboat lines. I won the 1960 Internationals, and then helped Tom Allen learn to build Lightnings. He then did better than me, so I had to keep innovating, and then beat Tom again in '63.